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Marlène Hildebrand-Ehrhardt

H.264 encoder for Debian

Hi!

Could anybody tell me which gstreamer package I should install in order to have an H264 encoder? I'm using Debian Lenny.

Thank you by advance!

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Andoni Morales

Re: H.264 encoder for Debian

2009/4/24 Marlène Hildebrand-Ehrhardt <[hidden email]>:
> Hi!
>
> Could anybody tell me which gstreamer package I should install in order to
> have an H264 encoder? I'm using Debian Lenny.

Debian has removed the H264 encoder plugin from the
gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad package for legal reasons.
They think it might be a problem according to Software patents

Andoni

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Felipe Contreras

Re: H.264 encoder for Debian

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Andoni Morales <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 2009/4/24 Marlène Hildebrand-Ehrhardt <[hidden email]>:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Could anybody tell me which gstreamer package I should install in order to
>> have an H264 encoder? I'm using Debian Lenny.
>
> Debian has removed the H264 encoder plugin from the
> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad package for legal reasons.
> They think it might be a problem according to Software patents

That would be 'ugly', 'bad' means the quality is not so good.

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Andoni Morales

Re: H.264 encoder for Debian

2009/4/25 Felipe Contreras <[hidden email]>:

> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Andoni Morales <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> 2009/4/24 Marlène Hildebrand-Ehrhardt <[hidden email]>:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Could anybody tell me which gstreamer package I should install in order to
>>> have an H264 encoder? I'm using Debian Lenny.
>>
>> Debian has removed the H264 encoder plugin from the
>> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad package for legal reasons.
>> They think it might be a problem according to Software patents
>
> That would be 'ugly', 'bad' means the quality is not so good.

I know that for GStreamer this problem does not exists, and that's why
this plugin is in 'bad'. But for Debian, there might be a software
patents problem arround libx264 and they do not include the libx264
package in the official repositories.

Andoni

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Felipe Contreras

Re: H.264 encoder for Debian

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Andoni Morales <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 2009/4/25 Felipe Contreras <[hidden email]>:
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Andoni Morales <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> 2009/4/24 Marlène Hildebrand-Ehrhardt <[hidden email]>:
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> Could anybody tell me which gstreamer package I should install in order to
>>>> have an H264 encoder? I'm using Debian Lenny.
>>>
>>> Debian has removed the H264 encoder plugin from the
>>> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad package for legal reasons.
>>> They think it might be a problem according to Software patents
>>
>> That would be 'ugly', 'bad' means the quality is not so good.
>
> I know that for GStreamer this problem does not exists, and that's why
> this plugin is in 'bad'. But for Debian, there might be a software
> patents problem arround libx264 and they do not include the libx264
> package in the official repositories.

Yeah, the same applies to essentially all codecs.

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Tim-Philipp Müller-2

Re: H.264 encoder for Debian

In reply to this post by Felipe Contreras

On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 17:27 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:

> > Debian has removed the H264 encoder plugin from the
> > gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad package for legal reasons.
> > They think it might be a problem according to Software patents
>
> That would be 'ugly', 'bad' means the quality is not so good.

I think he was referring to the x264enc plugin, which is in
gst-plugins-bad and which Debian doesn't ship.

There might be external repositories which provide it though, such as
debian-multimedia.org (no idea how good their packages are).

Cheers
-Tim

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Felipe Contreras

Re: H.264 encoder for Debian

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Tim-Philipp Müller <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 17:27 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> > Debian has removed the H264 encoder plugin from the
>> > gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad package for legal reasons.
>> > They think it might be a problem according to Software patents
>>
>> That would be 'ugly', 'bad' means the quality is not so good.
>
> I think he was referring to the x264enc plugin, which is in
> gst-plugins-bad and which Debian doesn't ship.

Yes, but it's in 'bad' because of bad quality, not because of legal
reasons. For legal reasons plugins go to 'ugly'. That's what I was
saying.

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Andoni Morales

Re: H.264 encoder for Debian

2009/4/25 Felipe Contreras <[hidden email]>:

> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Tim-Philipp Müller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 17:27 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>
>>> > Debian has removed the H264 encoder plugin from the
>>> > gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad package for legal reasons.
>>> > They think it might be a problem according to Software patents
>>>
>>> That would be 'ugly', 'bad' means the quality is not so good.
>>
>> I think he was referring to the x264enc plugin, which is in
>> gst-plugins-bad and which Debian doesn't ship.
>
> Yes, but it's in 'bad' because of bad quality, not because of legal
> reasons. For legal reasons plugins go to 'ugly'. That's what I was
> saying.

And I was just saying that Debian doesn't ship this package in
gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad because it's patent-encumbered:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354667

Andoni

Andoni Morales

Re: H.264 encoder for Debian

2009/4/25 Andoni Morales <[hidden email]>:

> 2009/4/25 Felipe Contreras <[hidden email]>:
>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Tim-Philipp Müller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 17:27 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Debian has removed the H264 encoder plugin from the
>>>> > gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad package for legal reasons.
>>>> > They think it might be a problem according to Software patents
>>>>
>>>> That would be 'ugly', 'bad' means the quality is not so good.
>>>
>>> I think he was referring to the x264enc plugin, which is in
>>> gst-plugins-bad and which Debian doesn't ship.
>>
>> Yes, but it's in 'bad' because of bad quality, not because of legal
>> reasons. For legal reasons plugins go to 'ugly'. That's what I was
>> saying.
>
>And I was just saying that Debian doesn't ship this package in

And I was just saying that Debian doesn't ship this plugin in

> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad because it's patent-encumbered:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354667
>
> Andoni
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Tim-Philipp Müller-2

Re: H.264 encoder for Debian

In reply to this post by Felipe Contreras

On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 18:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:

> Yes, but it's in 'bad' because of bad quality, not because of legal
> reasons.

There are many reasons why a plugin might still be in -bad instead of
-ugly or -good. It doesn't necessarily mean the plugin is of bad
quality. It might just be missing docs or unit tests or a review, or no
one is particularly bothered where it lives.

Cheers
-Tim

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Felipe Contreras

Re: H.264 encoder for Debian

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Tim-Philipp Müller <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 18:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> Yes, but it's in 'bad' because of bad quality, not because of legal
>> reasons.
>
> There are many reasons why a plugin might still be in -bad instead of
> -ugly or -good. It doesn't necessarily mean the plugin is of bad
> quality. It might just be missing docs or unit tests or a review, or no
> one is particularly bothered where it lives.

Documentation and unit tests constitutes part of 'quality'. If it has
good quality, it shouldn't be in bad.

In any case, what you can _not_ say about a plugin in 'bad' is that is
has good quality.

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